We never really spent the time to let them know there's so many careers and mathematics that one can do. RG: Yeah. EL: So I have a naive question, which is, like, does the existence of us talking over the internet on on this call, sort of demonstrate that this has been met? Because we have this obsession with the correct answer in mathematics. And Hilbert sort of fixed it enough that it was okay. AW: Oh, wow! It's a very good book, though. All right. Yeah, the question of drawing other curves is really interesting because of how you do or don't define curves in projective geometry. RH: So when I say the finitely-generated part, it's actually only looking at the rational points on the curve. And I think mathematics, we can take a lesson from this theorem and think about what we mean when we say mathematics is universal or mathematics is for everyone or mathematics is for all, when this term itself is kind of a democratic take on mathematics, that everyone can do mathematics, and everyone can be an equal participant in mathematics. So that's the notion of simply connected. And so for this, we just choose a function that would be zero on the boundary, and that would get rid of that UV term. I’ll have to look at her podcast. 4 Freundinnen verschlägt es einen Sommer lang in verschiedene Winkel der Welt: Lena zu ihren Großeltern nach Griechenland, die sich trotz jahrelangen Familienstreits in den SOhn einer anderen Familie des Dorfes verliebt. Yeah, exactly. KK: Yeah, it's great. KK: Sure. KK: Sure, come on down. But then he said tangrams, you know those things with all the shapes, you know, there's a square and triangles and stuff. That would be a0 is the number 8, a1 is the number 0, a2 is number 0, a3 is the number 1. All right, so here we go. Anytime you have a relation, that’s basically a matrix. JW: So that was very hard. AW: Anything to pass the time. KK: This has been good. Alright, so I wanted to tell you about this theorem called Zeckendorf’s theorem. And then when I was a graduate student, my lifelong mentor, Herbert Medina, was running a program in Puerto Rico and asked me to be a TA while I was a grad student. EL: Yeah. So even if I knew nothing about the surface other than this particular loop, I would then know that the surface inside must be mostly positively curved, like a sphere. And now I feel like we should also vote on these, but I just don't think it's fair for one of them to be math. But it's shrouded in this wrapper with question marks over it. I've done some of the local stuff. PH: Yeah. You can hook together pieces. Like, “Oh, I don't understand.” We understand this exactly. And so you have like, you know, 0.12345… or something like that. I'm reminded of a time I was a teaching assistant for a freshman course for the the whiz kids that—you know, every university has this where you throw outrageous stuff at these freshmen, and then they rise to the occasion because they don't know what you're asking them to do is impossible. I think when when Jordan—actually, did Jordan even state this theorem? EL: Very nice. MB: The best is when you have a child who hasn't heard the knock-knock joke you’ve heard 10 million times, and you get to be the person to share the groan-inducing pun with the child. So you have this statement. KK: Well, this has been great fun. You know, I don't think it's even sexism. The starting point and the end point may be different or not. And so what we would do is, instead of thinking of the numbers themselves, imagine that you have buckets, an infinite number of buckets, you know, starting out the first bucket all the way to infinity, and you get to put numbers into the sequence in the following way. But yeah. And your invitation to talk about my favorite theorem led me to, you know, think about what that would be and why I chose what I did. That's right. KK: I don't know if I've ever met them, really. I have a number of New Hampshire references in my book because I just feel like I wanted to humanize math to the extent that I could, while still tackling pretty substantial ideas. Well if that happens, we'll include a link to that in the show notes—if it's the kind of thing that you can do out of a particular geographical place. KK: Yeah. Inverse functions blow the same tune – They biject oh so happily Hi, Evelyn. And so it opened up, and again, this actually also has Riemann’s name to it, it’s the Riemann moduli space, is the study of all metrics on a space. KK: Okay. My usual thing is the rave scene. Yeah. Nira Chamberlain was last year's winner. I don't know if that's like the next step on the evolution or something. So what drew you to this theorem? EL: I mean, Messiaen composed the Quartet for the End of Time — I was about to say string quartet, but it's a quartet for a slightly different instrumentation, in a concentration camp, or a work camp. Let's start talking about what we can have. Unsupported object types, either native or custom, will need to implement .clone() method to be properly supported by the clone() function—when called on such an object, it will simply defer to the local method; see the Non-generic object types (a.k.a. KK: Hopefully this will all be irrelevant by the time our listeners hear this. we started the conversation with sets, not vector spaces. EL: Yeah, mostly, we've had academics on the podcast. Männlich und in einem Alter, in dem ich selbst schon Töchter wie diese vier Mädels haben könnte, hielt ich die DVD dennoch schon am Erstverkaufstag in meinen Händen ... um sie dann wieder ins Regal zurück zu stellen. Oh, well, now I could maybe in my rule, grab a number from two buckets, and add them together to get the next number. EL: Great. TV i dag, i morgen og de næste 7 dage for alle kanaler i Danmark. Sometimes people are like, “Eh, you’re just making stuff up.” Yeah. And in fact, I mean, that sort of goes back to the proof that we were talking about. KK: Or fundamental theorem of algebra, right? As we mentioned at the top of the show, Evelyn’s math page-a-day calendar is available for purchase in the AMS bookstore! So there was something very, very special about simply connected. And so I went to grad school to do mathematical string theory in the math department at Duke. RG: Right, it was an undergraduate class where I ran into those notions and I was a junior, well, I guess it was in my second semester as a junior, where we were talking about these strange sets. You can still say if you multiply it by a function that's super-smooth and over a bounded domain—so you don't have any boundary conditions to worry about, and so you always know how to differentiate that—if you multiply that by a distribution, and take the integral, then if you want to take the derivative of that distribution, integration by parts says you can instead throw in a minus sign and take the derivative of that smooth function instead. His line was, and I don't know what the context was, but, “I turn away with fright and horror from this lamentable evil of functions that do not have derivatives.” Which is really layering on I like the way people spoke in the 19th century. So one little example, I guess this is not, I can't remember what I did on the bus, but 1008 is is a number that's divisible by seven. And so it's like something that you can—like I don't really like mushrooms, so my partner often will order a mushroom thing at a restaurant. Just for listeners, that’s d-u-m, not d-u-m-b. That’s what I grew up wanting to do. EL: Yeah, I like that. Thanks for bringing that one up. RG: Yes. Okay, so I'm excited to share this with you. And so those kind of sharp corners, you may have one or two in a graph a student would draw, but that's sort of it. Even though, a simpler example, the rationals are only a set of measure zero and the reals, you know, they're everywhere, they're dense. In terms of things I've done that I think people who listen to this podcast might like, I did a Numberphile video about a year ago on the on it one of Hilbert’s problems about cutting up polyhedra and rearranging them that someone might someone who likes this podcast might enjoy. RH: And at the moment, we're still doing all of our prep work for the summer, which is a huge undertaking? LK: Oh, yeah. But you can find me on the internet telling stories about being a mathematician. Are you ready? KK: Right. Like that's the prime number theorem, it’s one of the biggest accomplishments of 19th-century mathematics. I don't know if you can see. And a lot of my research has been about that. And then I went up to Sonoma County to do some college and then moved to Iowa, and Iowa is really what I call home. EL: Yeah. So that was that was a lot of fun. And so we're gonna pivot a little bit now, maybe pivot a lot now, and say, Okay, what are your favorite theorems? AS: Yeah. Yeah, everything's doing as well as can be expected, I suppose. And so instead of corn, we're using rice, and it's flavored in different ways. So basic topology, but we were kind of thinking, oh, what's a way to introduce category theory that’s sort of gentler than just: “Blah. So we chatted about it for a while. AS: Yeah. SS: Well, uh, not particularly. Did this definition—was this kind of grandfathered into being a distribution? You can’t imagine how much stuff follows from this innocuous-looking assumption that you could take a derivative, but okay, so I'm kind of naive. Because I like doing research just for the sheer joy of it. It was the first few research projects with some of my undergraduate students at the Military Academy. And, you know, I'm sure I've seen the construction of this. KK: Thanks, guys. So we're going to take one of those points and take a multiple of it and call that our divisor on the curve. EL: I can really relate to that feeling of, like, when you're a kid, something that is totally normal for someone else isn't what's normal for your family. And this is your other host. CC: Right, exactly. CC: Like I'm pushing that eigenvector. So how are we going to get a set of space of Fqn? But the waffles I'm thinking of, my husband did his postdoc at Caltech, so we lived in Pasadena. Or it intrigues them so much that you want to learn more. Evelyn Lamb: Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Theorem, a math podcast. I mean, how do you study the statistics of a sequence you don't know is infinite? I was going to say with the Twitter thing. And so we wanted to keep this trend going of getting the most interesting mathematicians in the world on this podcast. AC: Oh my goodness. Less than a year later, at the International Congress in Helsinki, the Soviet mathematician Belyi announced this very result, with a proof of disconcerting simplicity contained in two little pages of a letter of Deligne. EL: Yeah, it's it's going to be a fun semester. I'm one of your hosts, Kevin Knudson, professor of mathematics at University of Florida. YHL: It’s been an honor. EL: Yeah. Yeah, gosh! PH: And so the the proof, of course, there's the, you know, “Can you do it?” but then “Can you do it uniquely?” So the thing that you would do there is assume that you have two different ways of writing it, each of which uses non-consecutive, and then you would argue that they end up being exactly the same thing. SS: They’re both able bodied, strong young women. And you can show Bayes’ theorem very, very simply with decision trees, and that was part of the reason I used decision trees in the Math-Off, was just to show the power of something that is really quite simple, that can drive so, so far. So for example, the sum of 1/n, where n ranges over all positive integers, diverges; that sum goes to infinity. Or is this while you’re— EL: Okay, so you are originally from Guam, and is Chamorro the name of a language or the name of a group of people, or I guess, both? So anyway, enough of that. EL: Oh, yeah. aM: Yeah. Well, that's great. KK: That’s right. We're taping the podcast later today, actually. And then all you have to do is times them together! And so then, you know, say someone shows up in the middle of the night, and they say, “I need a room.” And so what you do if you're the hotel manager is you tell everyone to move one room over. Every time you do it, you go, “I hadn’t thought of that.” KK: Okay. But at the same time, there are all of these different social and technical decisions that are so interrelated that even things that seem super objective and contestable end up being much more socially determined. How do you get into other summer programs or other STEM opportunities? There are ways to define that formally in the algebraic sense, but in the places where both definitions make sense, the definition is the same. And a lot of what's out there and written about math education talks about using quantitative reasoning and quantitative analysis and statistical analysis to really engage in critical dialogues and examining inequities and injustices in the world. EL: Yeah, I guess. My I normally this time of year is buzzcut city, which I do at home anyway. Okay. Actually, we were in North Carolina a few years ago at Christmas, and it snowed, and she was just alarmed. So that's what I said, this is a theorem that you can—people can understand as something in the real world. I really do think of it as one of the greatest ideas that human beings have ever come up with. It's called the Joy of X where here, X takes on this generalized meaning of the unknown, not just the unknown in algebra, but anything that's unknown, and the joy of doing science and the scientific question. I guess some people think it's really important.” So that might be your Calculus I class. But I think I'm not convinced my students thought of it as the same theorem, even if I tried to emphasize this perspective. If you take, for example, every point, which has, say, coordinates (x,y), and you multiply x by 2 and y by 2, so you multiply the coordinates by the same number, 2. And it's a topological proof. It is. But you could get a Crusty’s pie for like five bucks. She told us about her favorite theorem, the Tsfasman-Vladut-Zink theorem. And it's a kind of a surprising way to approach that statement. And then here's this idea, just way out of left field saying, hey, let's use algebraic geometry to find some codes. Anyway, what weird times we live in, right? So, yeah, there are some proofs that rely on that, which I think is kind of cool. Everyone who gets to a certain point in math has seen it, hopefully has appreciated it also. KK: Yeah. All right. AW: Yeah, that the anti-derivative and the integral are actually different. KK: All the way with Gauss-Bonnet! It's somehow, that was one of those really hard things, when I started doing more, like, hard real analysis. EL: I’m doing well. And we actually used Falting’s theorem as a black box for the REU project I was working on. I really was like, “I don't know what I did wrong.” And especially because I felt like I really got it. And I take the unit disc — so that's inside the circle of radius one, so that's simply connected — I can find a conformal transformation from the unit disc to this simply connected domain, and maybe thinking about the inverse, it's a conformal transformation from that (maybe crazy) simply connected domain to the unit disc, and so that's the Riemann mapping theorem But then it happened. KK: Have you gotten negative feedback? EL: Yes. And also, because I'm Korean, there are five zillion other Yoon Ha Lees. MB: Well, they denied Weil, right? And he went on to be a quite respectable mathematician. AW: Right. Anyway, we're not here talking about that, we're talking about math.. And I think there's a huge, nice intersection with mathematics. KK: Have you been doing that for very long? That's funny, with my mom as well. KK: Lily, thanks so much for joining us. JW: Right. KK: And of course, now I’m thinking of those standard problems in the differential equations course where you’re, like, you're doing those mixing problems, right? EH: But it is a torus and not a sphere. KK: Okay. So yeah, first, I might say for all of the real category theorists listening, I may humbly not refer to myself as a category theorist. KK: “Why did you scream?” Those are also, I highly recommend. I just love blowing students’ minds with that, and just how clean everything is. And so you can’t travel with that easily, but it can compress very small. Because I always say this. Here's your other host. Maybe we wanted to write the number 20 as a sum of Fibonacci numbers that are not consecutive. And it might be that you don't get big enough, you end up having to repeat something. What would that be? DL: Yeah, maybe the Sign of Four? EL: Yeah. I have not had a dum-dum in a very long time. So yeah, I got second place. So 2 times 10. I'm Evelyn Lamb. And there's not going to be a question on the test. I just want to think about sets for a second. BO: Yeah. I'm a professor at Sam Houston State University, which is in Huntsville, Texas, north of Houston. You mentioned Brownian motion, right? And polar codes are the first family of codes to provably achieve capacity. Yeah. Meaning—you know, I'm comfortable with non frequentist statistics to a certain degree. So here it is: I'm going to pair SVD with, okay. I mean, I was a major by then, of course, but I just didn't know what I was going to do. You don't can't draw all sharp corners. But the idea that algebraic topology, right, is useful in big data. I bought gas yesterday for the first time since May 26, I think. RH: Yeah. KK: Well, this is one of my favorite classes to teach because everything works out so well. And yet, do lots of people understand and sort of verify this proof? So that's sort of weird enough already. Right? I mean, you’ve got two mathematicians here, three mathematicians here in total. aM: Yeah, one B, aBa, for the listeners. Do you want to introduce yourself? But one thing I'm talking about that I'm really excited about is the Fibonacci sequence. And so I like to think about eigenvectors geometrically because if you think of your matrix operating on vectors in some Euclidean space, for example, then what it does, what the matrix will do, is it will pick up a vector and then move it to some other vector, right? EL: Yeah. Of course, an airplane window is tiny and it's not exactly high-definition picture quality out of the thick plastic there, but it just took my breath away. If it’s injective and surjective, then it’s bijective, by golly! I haven't looked at them deeply recently. I know this podcast is not visual, but I'm already kind of smiling in a terrified way because I found this question so difficult, really an impossible task, because I thought it's like asking me when my favorite song—I don't know, do you have a favorite song? And the phyllo dough didn't make me want to tear out my hair. AW: Absolutely. It's just the best fun ever. MB: So why knock-knock jokes? At its root! I think he probably would have said that—I really do think that he in particular would have said that to any student. EL: We had the prelude, so now this is the main event. I have gotten on my bike a couple times, and nothing terrible has happened. We’re both from New Mexico, and one of our biggest goals and dreams was to come back to New Mexico and live here and raise our families where our families are from and where we're from. EL: Yeah, I’ve seen that scene from it, but I've never seen the rest of the movie for sure. You didn't say it. This is one of the ways to classify things. EL: Okay, perfect. Okay. KK: Right. But, I do like the Rite of Spring. So it isn't just Aris and I going back and forth at telling you things. My husband does a lot of analysis and like has, yeah, all of these, like, what kinds of sets are what. JW: No, that's exactly exactly what we're talking about, exactly what we're talking about. KK: Totally disconnected, as the topologists say. It's like a battle royale going here. I really like this theorem because it's very parallel to a construction in category theory. PH: I did not know that! EL: Oh, nice. This math stuff is great.” LK: These are great workhorses. EL: Great. Every little kid knows about calculus. Yeah. KK: So what have you chosen to pair with distributions? I can get my head around this.” And I could start to see how to put things in and how they changed. You know, really just strong. SD: Yes. They're not going to agree on how it's been met. They all are students who love math, and who are art-curious. Anyway, sometimes they'll just merge them all into one three-hour super show, right? In the 1970 s and 80s especially, there was this group of kind of radical sociologists in at the University of Edinburgh who sat down. EL: Yeah, yeah. But when it comes down to it, it's all linear algebra tricks. I feel like probably as a kind of folklore bit in maybe 12th grade math. And yeah, I do sort of vaguely remember this, it is very clever. So is this while you're reading the proof? Never was such a profound and disconcerting result proved in so few lines.” So Belyi had actually figured out not only a way to show that these maps exist, but he had a construction. It doesn't make any sense because white supremacy makes absolutely no sense. If you treat it as a distribution, it’ll work fine. I couldn't read the book very well, it didn't have pictures. There was no way to meet everybody. So for those listening, imagine that I waved at you. I've got it. So it's my love song to calculus. And so yeah, I feel like I'm trying to enjoy so many different aspects of what this profession allows us to do. And I did call up my advisor and say, “Your prediction has come true. EL: Yes. EL: Yeah. Yes, right now it's pink, red, and yeah, maybe just different shades of pink. The REU project that I worked on actually is a statement that I think is really easy to understand. I just have one vertex over zero and then three branches. KK: That’s a lot. Because if we really, really don't know anything other than that, I think maybe a bit of research before where you find the prior is always a good thing. So in category theory, an adjunction is — let me say it this way, in linear algebra, an adjoint is defined by an equation involving an inner product. EL: Well, I was wondering. BT: Yeah. Let’s talk math. And so this young mathematician ended up changing our lives. So around this time, in the early ‘80s, and and preceding that, the way that mathematicians were approaching Shannon's challenge was through the study of linear codes. KK: So was this a love at first sight kind of theorem? And let's say R’ is not equal to R. So it's a different outer radius. And we call it fundamental, right? So it's important that that be positive too because lots of things we want to model our positive, like populations of things. And on a Koch snowflake, that snowflake is going to have jagged edges. What gets you there? But I say it's like because if you just do the naive thing, and think of your, your 0-1 matrix as a linear map, like as a linear transformation, you could say, okay, you know, should I view this as a matrix over the reals? And it was a moment where I realized that—now looking back, I realize my math identity was pretty strong, because I just said, “Well, ask someone else to see what was wrong, and I'm not going to ask this guy anymore because it's clear what he thinks.” Before I tell you what, I want to pair it pair this with, I should say, for background reasons, this, Mad Libs or ingredients-swapping recipe-type thing is a little bit mysterious to me. EL: Yeah. You know, just like the right wine can enhance that meal, you know, what would you recommend enjoying the density of the rationals with? TDB: Okay, great question. That's sort of the point, right? So there you have it 2 conditions that define a quality. So it's not simple because it touches itself along the way. For example, I guess you could call it an axiom of many these voting theory theorems in mathematics is that one voter is one vote, and you know, there are systems where that might not be true. There's a description in a book by a guy named Dan Pedoe of Desargues’ theorem to draw the image of a pentagon on the top of a square, and he just completely gets it wrong. So how does this relate, I remember, and I don't even remember now, I must have been writing some article that related to this, but looking at your primes that are your 1 more than a multiple of 6 versus 1 less and looking at whether there are more or fewer of these. I feel very blessed to have been able to work for eight years at a tribal college. So this is not a definition I made up, you know, you can go on Wikipedia and look at formal concept analysis. It’s got a lot of sharp corners. I mean, I feel like I want to say what I like about it mathematically and what I like about it personally. Well, if they're finite, you count them, and you see that you have the same number of things. And so neuroscience just seemed really exciting. So we think, well, you know, a mathematical theory or a mathematical idea is the same wherever you look at it, and whoever's doing it. It shows up with who gets tenure, who even lands into a tenure track position, who even gets to go into graduate school, who actually majors as a mathematician, who actually goes to college, who actually graduates high school, who actually gets told that they're a mathematician. EL: Well, I thought you might go like a pairing for this whole taxonomy and just go with, like, the taxonomy of animals, which, you know, I feel like we didn't do a great job of like, getting theorems exactly into one category or another. SD: And there are other poorly-behaved curves, or misbehaved curves, like another curve you might think about is the Koch snowflake. HM: Given by two by two matrices, and they turn out not to be typically conformal. It was the easiest book to write. Is it just—do you feel like a categorization of space opera is, like, ships blowing up? KK: And I've gotten two haircuts, but it looks like you've gotten none. So the first one, maybe I should have picked a specific dish, but I'm picturing basically just molecular gastronomy, this movement in in cooking where you take—one example I just saw recently in a book was, I think it was WD-50, a sort of famous molecular gastronomy restaurant in New York, where they had taken, the comes to you and it looks like a small, poppyseed bagel with lox. What do you think the probability is of something happening? And it was really—it was it was like, “Oh, I can do this for the rest of my life? AS: And so you you say cardinality instead. Summer has gone, and it's a little chilly at the moment. So this one is drawn from my second book, actually, the second book is about calculus. JW: We will soon be be doing algebraic geometry, but not yet. And it was kind of an area of physics that was using a lot of deep math. I don't remember seeing any of that until I got to university. 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