“Only you get a canopy bed.”, Poor Tiffany. You really do have the most adorable approach to comprehending others. [quote]you should have compassion because I'm sure he is in howling pain. The worse off they are the more difficult they make for others to help them until they've alienated everyone who does care. I knew three people who killed themselves because they had a terminal illness and just wanted to end their own suffering. I haven't read Sedaris in a long time so maybe the Rooster has gotten it together, R10. [quote]The suicide of a his sister is hardly an appropriate time to pick apart David Sedaris. [quote]393 points out nothing. In fact, his reply raises more questions than it answers. Aw, hang in there, 346. He was publicly recognized in 1992 when National Public Radio broadcast his essay "Santaland Diaries." People find his writing so funny. Everything you say or don't say yourself seems wrong and you quickly stop talking about it and walk around crippled with silent pain. This is what he does. . We're all puling for her. Why does he have to justify and defend himself? This from the asshole who said "Maybe he killed her.". And you'd do the same for Dorothy Kilgallen while you were at it. There is a belief in the biz that gay support is essential for some careers. Looking for Gretchen Sedaris ? Sedaris seems to want to get the last word in, which, especially so soon after her death is kind of disrespectful. It's hard to understand the effect that a suicide has on those who are left behind unless you've experienced it. "The masses" are boding just fine. You mean something to someone, you just don't know it yet. Here she was...starving to be loved...and the only time they gave her attention is when she did anything for them. From reading the links, I don't think other people's opinion of her mattered a hell of a lot to her. Quite the opposite, in fact. They picked Tiffany (she was six). [quote] Somebody with serious guilt. I don't see either of them as villains. [quote]calling her suicide an act of courage. 275, thanks for the reminder. I know the truth, people "bust my balls" because they are trying to put me in my place so that they can feel superior. Please let all the pickpockets in your neighborhood know that as long as you never find out about it, it's okay to steal from you. I am wondering where all this brotherly love and care were when baby sister was sent to a freaking reform school. His sister suffered horribly, so much so, she killed herself. Of course, we are all products of our childhoods and Sedaris seems as stunted as any narcissist. Now do you see where I'm coming from...? I agree absolutely. Most people do not accept such callous disregard for life, as displayed by Sedaris in this recent piece. Hang in there, if not for yourself at least for your dog. I hope you have a great weekend. [quote]Listen up people, sometimes a cigar really IS just a cigar. Self-appointed experts of how people should react or feel in a situation they really know nothing about. And while the faces may have changed, the hassles are just the same. I'm sure he loved his sister, even though he may not have been the ideal brother. I pretended to try to drown you with rocks - it's hilarious you were so scared! You're either a liar or you take no responsibility for your own words, because you've spent this entire thread attacking Sedaris. Why is it ok for DS to write about TS, but not for me to write about DS? My soul/true, fine mama;” her antique baby blue high chair, in part covered with ancient happy dolphin decals in which sat a doll, representing her; and an old stuffed rabbit, a rabbit, representing the rabbit she once owned named “Little Sweet Miss Bitsy Who’s Its,” a.k.a., “Hooos,” (the number of ooo’s varied with her pronunciation) -- she gave the rabbit away when she could no longer afford or manage to feed it/care for it -- she had already long since given away her cat, Mister Wonderful; those beautiful, multicolored old vivid lead-paint broom handles David mentioned, which she used to have strung together as a divider between rooms when she had a larger apartment; and the cheap plastic flowers she scattered around her body before taking her life. She suffered terribly from a disease. “She said no — that she loved it. Even if you weren’t getting along with Tiffany at the time, you couldn’t deny the show she put on—the dramatic entrances, the non-stop, professional-grade insults, the chaos she’d inevitably leave in her wake. Shrieking loons who call a writer sick and claim he's dancing on his sister's grave is not the kind of feedback any author appreciates or respects. People appear all sorts of ways, usually because they feel pressure to appear in that particular way. Actually I don't. From the New Yorker article. His tacky comment about his dead sister illustrates his lack of compassion as well as his creativity failure. I don't like them; they do seem like a creepy bunch. When I die, you can recycle me. She was pissed. Completing the CAPTCHA proves you are a human and gives you temporary access to the web property. So he found a way to profit from my suicide by writing about it in a magazine? DS probably started this thread thinking DLers would just crow over his oh so clever commentary of his insane sister. My therapist told me to run. [quote]Never does he delve deep into the hidden meaning. Since it was known she was the sister of David Sedaris, townspeople described her using words like "free, eccentric, a collector of things others might not see beauty in" and someone who looked in all sorts of places for "things to recycle in her art.". Sedaris was born in Endicott, New York, the daughter of Sharon Elizabeth (née Leonard) and Louis Harry "Lou" Sedaris, and grew up in Raleigh, North Carolina with her siblings, Lisa, David, Gretchen, Tiffany, and Paul. Sure, she can eat any of the 16 cans of Progresso soup she found one night in July. Tiffany spent years arguing with some of them while constantly shifting allegiance amongst them and detaching herself from those she was angry with. And if he ever does, I hope he is surrounded by kinder people than himself. And obviously dead! My feelings exactly, r322. I don't know exactly. It'd be like Amy Winehouse going to rehab. You agree that I have not expressed that opinion, yet you want me to defend or address it...? Here's an article about her. She organizes the photos by person, even though she rarely learns their names. Yeah, I have a problem with that. [quote]At the very least he is disrespecting her wishes by writing about her. Coping with cancer is stressful. No, it's a time for him to mock her for being laughably melodramatic. Her father is of Greek descent and her mother, who has roots in the U.S. going back to Colonial America, has English ancestry. [quote]His brother is the guy who never got it together, still lives around town sustaining himself and his addictions with odd jobs. He didn't lose me as a fan, because I was never a fan. Nathan Watson; Nathan Watson's Reputation Profile. Her story didn't have to be sad. Somerville is a very hip suburb these days, and not cheap. He has a wide range of admixture. He begins to experiment with both conceptual art and crystal methamphetamine. It's understandable if there are mixed feelings when someone who has suffered so miserably and shared their misery so often with their family chooses to die. Also: non-profit=no profits. Throwing shade on the dead is not well received by the masses. Your IP: 148.251.202.161 Everybody fears death. *forced* to talk about her, after all. Much PR for those he has chosen to promote. Yes, I'm quite sure that's something you hear often, r313. It's better that she's gone. Your perceptions resonate with me...especially the part about David "making her wrong." Why? Did you even read the piece? No wonder poor Tiffany had mental problems. Her coping method is opposite of yours. Do you have any personal experience of suicide, "former fan"? It's kind of like when the Cold War ended, and America no longer had a single enemy to unite against. But how could it have not? Wrap your head around this, people. Technically, 274, they are all seniors now. Why? Yes, that is the problem - he is seen as a memoirist, humorist, not for the most part, as a fiction writer. NC. Always had been off. If it's easier for you to replace "clinical depression" with "cancer" then so be it. I will do whatever is required of me to defend her honor and legacy. • Sorry for my cynicism; there are a lot of fantasists here. I feel really good about it. Oh my. His tone was really nasty, and I was chilled. That doesn't mean he's disrepecting her. At this point, I'm thinking David and Amy are both assholes. That's the story in which David comments that he and his brothers could have slouched around the house drinking raw pancake batter and nobody would say a word, yet his growing sisters' food intake and figures were scrutinized/insulted mercilessly by Mr. Sedaris. I've had a totally dreadful last couple of years - moved to a new city, went through a breakup and a medical crisis at the same time. Do you write entertaining stories about your suffering relatives? Classic deflection. More than two vanloads of possession were pulled from there and other locations by friends. If you can't find the email you can resend it here. And my observation goes to the apologists as well. You've been on this thread for quite some time, berating people who aren't behaving the way you think they should, once telling someone to "take their meds." But to me, THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE PIECE. She squeaked by with the scanty assistance of various social services, afraid of earning enough money to cancel the seven-hundred odd dollars - I believe some form of disability payment - that she relied on each month for shelter, food and sundries. [quote]Oh that's right. It seems clear that Tiffany was such a one. We get your point. His writing contributed to her pain. Let her go. That, coupled with extreme mental anguish and an identity crisis led to her suicide as well. Thanks for making me remember that. Obviously, she didn't suicide just to hurt them. - r390. Taking your own life is not easy. Those places are awful. Not sure people will still want to laugh at Family Sedaris Neuroses knowing they bullied one of their own to death. It says WAY more about him than it does about her. I don't get from this thread that the general consensus is that "DS killed his sister." bump. Fascinating to see some folks here defending him. Her older brother is … It's a long road back. The DST goes nuts when anyone "attacks" DS or a DS supporter. What was David supposed to do about it? To them hazing behavior is just a way of saying, "you're one of us, you've made the cut and you should be flattered.". And yes, he's a smug asshole. Is obvious the whole family is nuts. We kind of turned on one another. But I am sorry I hurt your feelings, and I hope you feel better. Sorry you cannot accept that makes him look very bad. He referred to the tearing up of the family pictures as melodramatic. [quote] agree absolutely. Hello and thank you for registering. If I choose to say it takes courage to commit suicide but is not necessarily an act of courage, what's it to you? I only need to click. What a douchebag he is. And who would know otherwise? Nothing less. He's such a back stabber. [quote]Two borderline persons I knew weren't sexually abused. I am obviously in the minority, but I have never enjoyed Sedaris's family tales. Anyway, he's tried to bust out of the memoir racket and write some fables. You guys are exhausting, shrill and creepy obsessive. Firstly, there was the will – which stipulated that the family was not allowed to have her body or go to her memorial service, he wrote in The New Yorker. The drugs bit is taken out of context by the right wing Daily Mail obviously. Thank you anon. My therapist told me to run. You deserved better, too, if you're not trolling. Yes, I do have a very serious neurological disorder that prevents me from comprehending what the hell you're talking about. The Westboro Church bit was the cherry on the sundae, though. - r369, [quote]You're just taking a break from your good job and debating here ("WHAT A DICK!" Tiffany's death was genuinely tragic. "She's proud that she goes through other people's garbage and makes a living that way . I guess you're pissed because you identify with him. He did not write an essay shitting all over his sister's grave and wishes. Fuck off, you emotionally stunted, narrow-minded twit. [quote]Here. No, r136. Name: Gretchen E Sedaris, Phone number: (919) 496-6320, State: NC, City: Louisburg, Zip Code: 27549 and more information Some of the big multifamily homes in somerville have many bedrooms. While I enjoy some of his writing, I find that Sedaris is an exploitative narcissist who has abused his family memories for self-enrichment. Their mother was an alcoholic, so it's a possibility that she drank while pregnant with Tiffany. So there's a lot more pain in Jeri Blank than Amy lets on? Mocking her after her suicide is absolutely the lowest that a person could go. It takes a long while to really come to the point of view that maybe they couldn't help it. R360, do you mean "A Shiner Like a Diamond?". When I go to the link at R6 to read about her, it says "Article not found". [quote]All of us would be disappointed, though for different reasons. She made that choice. Then there was the cancer is funny but AIDS isn't story. Their mother had a scotch and cigarette habit and died from lung cancer. The illness simply made it impossible for her to feel anything but her own misery. "157, he wrote about her after she killed herself.". You won't be happy til David himself commits suicide. This thread is also about DS' self-damaging public comments he made after his baby sis killed herself. Message. Imagine if the cancer patient's older brother, a rich and famous writer, publishes entertaining stories about your harrowing experience...when your only personal goal is to retain your strength...and eat food. Or say nothing at all about it? Sedaris has said he gives his family drafts of everything before they are published. He does mention money (as mentioned upthread), but it seems as a joke to take the edge of a serious subject. He's aware and self-critical of his own narcissism and superiority complex, its part of his voice and character as a writer. There where 6 more pieces of the pie chart that weren't shown. Sounds like most of the family left that girl behind decades ago. The night before she killed herself, she begged me to go along with her to her family reunion in order to help her through her anxiety over the event. This is not personal. R290, "Cheap Psychology 101" is the other name for DL. The other non-David and Amy siblings have apparently more stable lives. Its very lazy to demonize Sedaris. But the truth is that they sent her to Elan, where kids were virtually tortured. Join to Connect. In let it snow, he describes her as willing to do anything anyone says if they just give her a little attention. He abused her sense of privacy and then he wrote a piece where he made her look like a weirdo. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. There's a lot of really psychotic trolls in this thread. There is something disturbed about this and the rest of your post, to say the least. And someone had written: ‘Call me sometime this summer and we’ll go out and get blitzed.’. If you holier-than-thou finger wavers were any good you'd do some digging and find out exactly what was wrong with her and what exactly led to her death. [quote]Maybe she threatened to out him for making up much of his stories and he now has to discredit her. Instead of the snark? the article at R6 is very good - can you not see it, R29? It was funny, but it had a mean streak buried in it, and although the housewife was laughing, you could tell she was also shocked and embarrassed. You do realize that "DLers" also exist outside DL, right r356? They are extremely resistant to help. He writes and tries to find some art and humanity in it all. to "YOU"RE A CUNT" to "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings and I hope you feel better. Also in the house were ‘comment cards from a neighborhood grocery store, notebooks, receipts, a paper plate on a dresser that had several drawers missing, a phone number written on a wall, and a collection of mop handles, each one a different color, arranged like cattails in a barrel painted green’. Many landlords are older and don't know they could be charging much more. I'll read the rest of your comments later. Their alcoholic mother was a cult of personality, capricious and cruel masked as hilarity. My sister got married and her husband became incredibly abusive/controlling, and she ended up withdrawing from us. His mother was a drinking, smoking, wisecracking housewife. I used to live in a small town where people defined one another. This is a tame thread compared to plenty of other sites online, and with the exception of the person having the "you're all like Westboro" meltdown no one seems to have been THAT out of line. If she didn't want to have it published, she should have told him. This will probably be the last time I come here, and yes I will let the door hit me on my ass on the way out. This thread is personally advocating for TS, who suffered so horribly she killed herself. He did not write an essay shitting all over his sister's grave and wishes. Her family the survivors. He's either quite mentally ill in thinking that's a response the public would fins 'funny', or he's a despicable person. Nobody knows and you'll never prove it. This isn't 'gallows humor' being expressed within a family to ease tension...he said it publicly, and in response to a serious question about whether or not he had regrets. Not everyone can afford to help out a down and out relative but when you have enough money to own three houses why not at least get your own sister a decent one bedroom apartment. Good point, R281? Then why can't he just say/write that, R222? Condemning her for it is...I don't know. That does not qualify you, however, to censor DL. Borderlines always have it in for someone in their families and at the workplace. [quote]But it was also his intention to paint himself and his family as genuinely hurt, confused, and grieving over their loss. David had to leave the Sedarises to figure out how to be his own special Sedaris. It's a power trip. You are not David Sedaris. I don't. His father is of Greek descent, while his mother, who has roots in the United States going back to Colonial America, is of English ancestry. R71, what part of BITCHY gay GOSSIP site did you not understand when you started posting here? If you read the New Yorker piece and David's previous essays about or referencing Tiffany, it's pretty clear that she had a long history of mental health and substance-abuse issues, and that her family was well aware of this. It's despicable. Perhaps you're projecting. It wasn’t enough. Something someone in a movie would do.’, The family also discovered that she’d been a regular drug user, when she was young, at least. He writes about his own warts as well as the warts of his family. Not only could Tiffany have been saved, she could have blossomed. Yes, he describes looking through Tiffany's 9th-grade yearbook and seeing lots of notes from her friends about getting drunk and high, but he says nothing to suggest that this was news to him and his family. It tried to read his "Me Talk Pretty One Day" - it was boring, not funny at all. It would be possible to check if there were money allocated for PR & how much. LOL at r366. She could have been mortified (I know I would be) but was so desperate for her bother's love and/or for money, that she allowed herself to be exploited for a few pieces of silver. This American Life is not produced by NPR. Nobody's talking about her isolating from family reunions ;or holiday dinners when everybody was grown. This is why, at the end of her life, she was found dead "in a room, in a beat up house on the hard side of Somerville, MA." I sort of suspect that's true. Amy Sedaris has an approximate net worth of $12 million. Does this story tarnish her memory? Good writers can create fiction from personal experiences. Even just a little bit? Sedaris was born in Johnson City, New York, the son of Sharon Elizabeth (née Leonard) and Louis Harry "Lou" Sedaris, an IBM engineer. As soon as I read his shocking comment about how "melodramatic" her final act was, I knew for certain that he had complete disdain for her. R165, even if just lashing out I think it's fair for him to do it. Tiffany sounds like my partner was, brilliant and impossible Like my partner she probably was borderline, due to trauma. It's generally easier to shrug off an acquaintance's flaws or transgressions than those of someone you love. He sounds kind of ignorant about human behavior. Enough with the photos. I know my opinion does not affect ds (not much does)but,the creepy little elf is dead to me. [quote]Anyway, [R445], again I am sorry for upsetting you here. Sweetheart, if you keep making up words and sticking them in my mouth, I'm going to do the exact same thing to you. Heck, for all we know, David is embellishing. What does that say about YOUR mental health? I don't know, 230. I did not encounter that in Naked. It's not as fun to read his pithy observations about his crazy family after his baby sis offed herself. Maybe he even killed her. A survey of Tiffany’s house revealed nothing about why she might have taken her own life, he said. [quote] It's not the fault of the family — or anyone else. Oh that's right. And yes, something is or was fucked up in the Sedaris family. Imagine waking up in the middle of the night, as we all sometimes do, and remember, "Oh...I have cancer." He repeatedly heard she was living a hardscrabble life. You morons don't understand human nature any more than you do writing. Since when was depression such a condition that she was such an awful drain on her large family? Tiffany Joyce SedarisJune 13, 1963-May 24, 2013Somerville, MassachusettsTiffany Joyce Sedaris, 49, passed away peacefully on May 24, 2013, at her … Drank yer juice! That's what I love about Sedaris and his writing. A classmate had drawn a marijuana leaf beside her name in an old school year book. Why is that (R200)? Has anything been written about possible family sexual abuse against the Sedaris children? He's just doing what he does. Talk about a 'one trick pony'. R114, Drank yer juice, Shelby! And I love Tiffany jewels. This thread is not personally attacking DS. Integrity blocks his creative drive. site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, This is Me - … gretchen Sedaris Horticulturist at Cty Of Raleigh,NC. Neither is going to change. [all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]. "WHAT A SICK FAMILY!" I love his work so I'm surprised to see the vitriol on this thread. Sedaris was born in Endicott, New York, to Sharon Elizabeth (née Leonard) and Louis Harry "Lou" Sedaris, and grew up in Raleigh, North Carolina, with her five siblings. Nobody here has expressed ill will toward David Sedaris. He's joining Augusten Burroughs(had to look that up) and Elizabeth Wurtzel (ditto). r188, why the weird speculation on other people's posts?? He has lost fans over this. I hope life gets better for you. He followed up by ripping himself for only being concerned about how much money they were worth rather than how beautiful they were. I thought it was a beautiful piece. It was so Douglas Sirk, it made me giggle a great deal. gretchen has 1 job listed on their profile. Why don't you read those two sentences out loud? Which it won't. It reminds me of that English teacher in Up the Down Staircase who marked up the pathetic love letter from an obviously troubled female student in his class--then returned it to her. I don't like cold, harsh, annoying, dismissive people. "Sweetheart," "that was cute, "here let me help," "it's called trolldar, dear.". Not always. You are so invested in this fantasy, R174. And now, everybody knows it. Congrats for being a professional writer and author. Truth: I'm right and you're wrong, and you can't stand that. R89: Yes indeed. But for some reason people feel its not ok to betray people like that. I think the tickets were $50-$60 (can't remember exactly) and the reading itself was shockingly short. Imo, it did not come off well...in fact, I think we can all agree, as displayed in this thread, that his comments after TS' suicide were polarizing & controversial. Though I haven't, imo, personally attacked another poster here. I do think David's comment was tacky, but families are in some ways kind of like marriages - only the people in them can really understand the relationships and dynamics of that particular one. [quote]People disagree with you. They'd be eviscerated. Maybe you can be my biographer? Prayer circle for r152 - she's so tender to the touch! That doesn't mean he's cold or opportunistic or finds his sister's death funny. You don't know what the rest of their relationship was like. If your surviving on a 700 dollar a month disability check, and living in a shit hole in a bad part of town, I would just assume that he was not helping her out much. I have made not one claim to censoring anyone and don't even have the ability to do so, seeing as how I'm not the webmaster here. Please click here to register for free. So we can agree that her death is David's fault? What did Tiffany do to get sent to Elan? But if you feel I'm an attacking troll, lashing out randomly for fun, then fine. She's still dead and he's still a rich, famous author. Maybe she threatened to out him for making up much of his stories and he now has to discredit her. These were collected by David's actress sister, Amy. It was clear something was off. Aside from the fact you're growing up with people who are physically much bigger than you, you're growing up with people who do not have your best interests at heart. He's an evil person, clearly. It doesn't make them mercenaries from a shadowy cabal, paid to use the "weapons" in their "arsenal" against you and "the truth." Tiffany creates principles like this one, which guide her trash picking: Death is the ultimate adjudicator. “Two lousy boxes” is not Tiffany’s legacy. Zak, what's it like to be known as the village idiot? David Sedaris was a wonderful, heroic, big brother to his poor, crazy sister. Thank you for restating my point and then telling me it was fine for me to make it.". It seems like quite a few of us on here have been affected by suicide. His emotional disconnect is a defense mechanism for pain that became too much to tolerate in his dysfunctional family. Glass is no idealist. "She's proud that she goes through other people's garbage and makes a living that way.". [quote] It's understandable if there are mixed feelings when someone who has suffered so miserably and shared their misery so often with their family chooses to die. Gretchen Sedaris is 60 years old, and lives in North Carolina. I read one collection of essays years ago...when he was hot. [quote]When I first met the entire family, oddly enough at Emereld Isle in 86, the girls went through my luggage and came to dinner wearing my clothes. Thank you for sharing. r133 "corrects typos," in other people's posts, orders them to stop posting, and informs them when they're off-topic. Nice memoriam for Tiffany in the Somerville Times. It doesn't make them mercenaries from a shadowy cabal, paid to use the "weapons" in their "arsenal" against you and "the truth." Somerville Mass is way too expensive a town for artists. I'm not being confrontational or attacking. [quote]I say this with no nastiness: if you're "advocating" for a mentally ill woman (by attacking her family) you don't know and calling her suicide an act of courage, you probably should be seeking out therapy of some sort yourself. I felt he was putting even more distance between himself and her than she'd created in her lifetime and by her manner of death. “I think she saw this perfectly good outrage going to waste.
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